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 Post subject: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 10:14 am 
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I got started on a post tonight that you can find here: http://ecclesiasticaldiscipline.wordpress.com/2010/05/30/healers-rule-five-mans/

While the question I'm suggesting is a slightly tangential, I think this post starts things off. It got me wondering how other healers feel. Where do you draw the line on shifting the priority of someone's heals down (or refusing to heal them all together)? Is it if they upset you personally? If they are consistently standing in the fire? If they have lame dps? If they aren't managing their aggro? If they go afk for fifteen minutes in the middle of a boss fight? Is it only when it's jeopardizing the entire group's success? I believe there is a point for every healer, but where does the gray area fall? Does anyone really heal the jerk who is offensive and stands in fire when there is anyone else who needs healing?

While I'm curious about healer opinions, I also think this is an interesting question for tanks and dps. When do you think it's fair if a healer lets you die? Do you trust your healers or do you worry they will let personal feelings or pet peeves guide their choices? Do you feel like a healer stating (in advance of a pull) that they will not heal until an issue hindering the group is resolved is fair? As a tank, do you feel you need or appreciate the support of a healer to handle dps who aren't doing their job? Do you feel aggravated when someone even suggests that a behavior could be bad enough to result in said person not getting healed?

I know this can be a loaded issue, and I am very open to opposing viewpoints. If you want to argue that you should heal everyone equally based on their hp and incoming damage, regardless of any other considerations, I'd love to hear your reasoning.

The context I'm imagining is a random PUG five man normal or heroic at any level, but feel free to answer in any way that moves you.

Alternate Questions: Who *really* has the control over the pace and progress in a five man PUG? How do you - in your own role - fix a group dynamic that is obviously failing and causing people to die? Do you feel like you are more likely to listen to the direction of a tank or a healer in a PUG five man?

Well, ummm....I suppose this is lots of questions. I hope that's inspiring and not confusing.

P.S. I'm new here so if this is in the wrong place or format, please do direct me or move me to a nice happy place.

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:54 am 
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I liked this topic, as it is so straight forward.

http://typhoonandrew.wordpress.com/2010 ... them-burn/

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:30 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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I give my Warlock's perspective to this shared topic. Health stone anyone?

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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I linked back to an old post that touched on this a bit, and expounded a bit.

http://azerothapple.wordpress.com/2010/06/25/shared-topic-letting-people-die/


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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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I posted on this one. Been awhile since I've gotten a chance to do a shared topic.

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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Here's my post on the topic:

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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Let someone die? No way! Well, not usually...

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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My post on the subject (Priest's perspective):
http://priestage.blogspot.com/2010/07/s ... r-let.html

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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A rogue perspective... and tips on helping your healer out!
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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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a question i have to ask myself to many times... poor souls and there repairbill

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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My thoughts on the subject:

http://harpysnest.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/shared-topic-go-die-in-a-fire/

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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Here's my post on the subject:

http://andallofthem.wordpress.com/2010/ ... d-let-die/

My first shared topic, too. Had plenty of fun thinking about this one. :)


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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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I made some flow charts to correctly illustrate the severity of the topic. They're colorful! :D

http://oddcraft.net/wordpress/2010/07/07/shared-topic-triage-and-you/

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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Here's my attempt at a reply to this topic. This will be available on the 8th

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:54 am 
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Here's mine :) I've enjoyed reading the other responses!

http://reviveandrejuvenate.blogspot.com/2010/07/shared-topic-heal-priorities.html

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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Good topic, thanks. :)

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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Here is my response: Am I a "Softy Healer"?
http://thewowstorm.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... -a-softy-h…h-shared-topic/

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:52 pm 
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Never did get the hang of posting deadlines...

This has been an interesting topic though, with opinions on both sides.

http://typehforheals.com/2010/07/12/letting-people-die/


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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:21 am 
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I'm cheating too, posting this a couple of days late!

http://bossypally.wordpress.com/2010/07 ... meone-die/

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 Post subject: Re: July 5-10 2010: When should a healer let someone die?
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Opps my first time participating and Im late! Sorry :)

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